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Young 18 yr. Old Hot Shot Rooookie
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Posted 2 months ago We have a son who is wanting to become a firefighter, he is 18 years of age now. We have several times told him that it comes with alot of responsiblility and Braveness but most of all the respect for what they do. Our son has this nitch that he can do anything and nothing scares him. We all have tried to assist him in learning the Fears of fire and its reactions in different cases. Well needless to say we have a handful of can and can't do's. Our son, soon to be rookie and of course a young Hot Shot with no schooling yet or anything under the belt to even start has been with I to the Department but never seems to pay any attention to what all is involved. MMMMnnnnnnnnnn this could look like trouble in the future. What training can convince a young boy that knows everything? Would this change during his training or schooling? Remember Yesterday, Live Today, Hope for Tomorrow and if Tomorrow never comes my job is done. |
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| Posted 2 months ago If he goes to an actual academy, they will straighten him out. Jeff Draper
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| Posted 2 months ago there's alot of this that goes around. at our dept we have monday night trainings and I have a habbit of being their partner. I'm not afraid to bust their hump. you bust their hump and they tend to relize quick that its not all put wet stuff on the red stuff. as for not being afraid of any thing, the first time he's in a live burn (not a gas fired burn building), and things get hot and flames roll across the ceiling towards him, or mabye even lick him in the face he'll be like most people and sh.... a cinderblock. go ahed let him join , he'll find out quick that it takes a certain breed to be a firefighter. |
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| Posted 2 months ago chase and truckie are both right. When he goes through his training he will quickly learn who is in charge and where he sits on the totem pole. It is the job of the instructors to weed out those who are not of the right calliber. Granted firefighters are almost always type "a" personalities, but you have to humble yourself to the teachings of those over you. If he's got the right stuff, he will graduate the academy or training program. But that is when his real training as a "probie" starts. He has to be able to make friends of his new partners, not enemys. He will have to do the "grunt" work of the station, cooking, cleaning, and other chores before he will gain thier trust and respect. He will be the brunt of many jokes and pranks. He will have to deal with it and take it all in stride. If he can handle all of that, then yes he will make a good firefighter. |
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| Posted 2 months ago Looking back, I remember being the rookie. 19 years old and invincible. As is written above, I arrived at my first fire and nearly crapped my pants. I had never been so scared in all my life. I was shaking so much that my station officer had to help get my gear in place. I went in, and with the help of the firefighters around me, we put out the fire. I was terrified and wanting to prove myself at the same time. I learned an important lesson that day. So will your son. I always try to keep that in mind and, I always share that with our new department members just before they experience real fire for the first time. Some have told me that it helped them work their way through that fear. Some have told me that it helped to know that that "the old guy who's done everything" felt the same as them once. Sharing our knowledge and experience with the newer members of our departments is important. They can learn so much more than what is in the essentials book. Poking, prodding, and joking are all used to make sure the new guy can fit. But, if the firefighters around me that day had just laughed and made fun, I probably wouldn't be where I am today. Send him to the academy. Let them do their thing. Being a mentor is more important than being a joker. Oh, and you can be a hardass and a mentor at the same time. I am. |
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| Posted 2 months ago It depends on your department's training. I hope your department is NOT one of those old school departments that just hands them gear and tells 'em to "go fight fire," he might not learn anything until his first really bad fire. Let's hope it doesn't get him or someone else hurt or killed. If your department has a structured training program, they should get it out of him in training, one way or another. I've had a few trainees drop out and I've told a few of my trainees to leave and not come back. |
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| Posted 2 months ago
Been there, done that and still dealing with it.
My youngest son TJ turned 20 this past March. He grew up in the Firehouse. He has no blood, its red paint and sometimes the brains of a flea. This kid’s has NEVER had any fear, NEVER!
At 18 I started him off in Firefighter I with our county Vollies and then FFII. That calmed him down a little. Not much. Then I enlisted friends that are two hatters ( vollie & paid ) and had them explain the fine points of his actions. How attitude, actions and his mouth will hurt him and his creditability. His reputation will carry his whole career and what he says and does will give his co-workers all the information they need.
He was hired by the city last year at 19. One of the youngest ever. They named him “Milkmoney” in probie school. He hated it but knows to do anything other than going along with it was hopeless. He went out and bought a Finding Nemo backpack and carried his books in it everyday. When the Training Captain would call on Milkmoney, he would answer, “Well when I graduated elementary school last week it was ………..” He has been on shift since this pass Feb. and the Milkmoney tag has left the building. He is doing well and his D.C. calls on him to float to other houses knowing he can depend on him.
Now trying to teach him about the other stuff. He bought himself a crotch rocket about 3 months ago. Earlier this month he was out riding with a friend of his that I have never liked. This “friend” is a Eddie Haskell. A slimy piece of shit. He’s the kind that would sale his mother for a nickel. For years I’ve been telling TJ to dump this ass. Well, this ass pulls a wheelie and guess who pulls out of the side street. P.S. reckless driving and reckless endangerment.
TJ’s “Stupid Tax’ will cost him $1500 for the lawyer and somewhere about $600 in fines, no to mention what his Chief will shove up his ass when its all said and done.
This last adventure has been good for him & believe it or not. We can really talk and he is listening. I guess he figured out that I’m not a total asshole and I may know what I’m talking about. I hope so. I don’t have anymore hair to loss.
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| Posted 2 months ago Yeah, training will help. But he needs to be responsible enough to take what is given and learn from it. I am 2 weeks shy of completing my FF I/II firefighter training and let me tell you, they crammed about 2 years of training into an 8 month course. I have walked away with soo much knowledge, but now I have to take that and use it under real activities. Good luck to your son and I hope it works out for him. |
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| Posted 2 months ago Academy Class will straighten him out really good!! IF not, let him "voluneer" at the station a couple of days doing nothing but cleaning for free! Rick Romero |
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| Posted 2 months ago I agree 100% with Travis that you can be a mentor and a hardass, that's how I handle some of my young guys, and it works. Instructors and T.O's, for the most part got to that position for being able to read and handle the people that come their way, they've seen him before, and will know exactly what to do with him. Once he starts getting an idea of how much his instructors have to pass on to him, the process will continually improve. What Sandy said about his boy is true, also, one of my young guys recently found himself in small legal jam, nothing serious, thankfully, but it shook him up. He came to me asking for help, some other C.O.'s and I guided him through, and he came out slightly scarred, but much more mature for the whole ordeal. |
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| Posted 2 months ago I agree with all of you and will take this information with respect. I worked hard for this myself and we have tried to put him in fast pace enviroments during excercises believe me, He smells like a rose and we can't believe it. We rag him on slowness and gear he half then fumbles. May be this is just a start since Dad is watching or trying to show Dad up. We all have timed ourselve to be ready with gear in seconds. Thanks for your thoughts and experience. We are open to any more that might be helpful. Thanks Brothers and Sisters alike. Remember Yesterday, Live Today, Hope for Tomorrow and if Tomorrow never comes my job is done. |
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| Posted 2 months ago On the lighter side.......
Interesting things when you have sons, like... 1.) A king size waterbed holds enough water to fill a 2000 sq. ft. house 4 inches deep.
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